You and Tess may be willing to forgive. I am not, and even if I were, it's really not my call, as my life was only mildly disrupted by their decisions. The victims of those decisions, and their survivors, are the ones who deserve to decide the fate of all who were complicit.
I have to agree w other commentators. Forgiveness can only happen when wrongdoing is acknowledged and contrition expressed. That doesn’t mean those responsible shouldn’t be held to account and possibly serve time or face the death penalty as a result of their contribution to the role their “compromise” had in the injuries and deaths of millions of people.
There are enough voices speaking out on IVM vs Remdesivir that they could have joined them and accept the consequences. With enough voices speaking out in unison, we may have seen change occur that wouldn’t have resulted in so many deaths.
Heck, even nurses in the hospitals refer to Remdesivir as “Run death is near.” When the nurses are referring to a drug in such a manner, you know it’s openly acknowledged to be dangerous and deadly, even if it continues to be ignored. It’s the people within the system that participate in covering up the truth that perpetuate the problem of corruption and everyone of them need to be prosecuted for whatever role they played, even if it was a passive role.
If I may disagree slightly here. Forgiveness is a personal decision. If we're going to wait for someone else to do X action before we forgive, then we are still captive to them.
Jesus taught to forgive 70x7. It's not the count that matters, but the concept. I see, live with, and am a person who still has a lack of forgiveness toward another, and the canker that it is there even years later is so self destructive and self limiting. Because I (speaking for myself) allow their action to still control me.
There is a need for justice. But mercy is a different concept. Our offer of mercy only after justice is not mercy. Mercy or forgiveness doesn't remain captive to what the other person is willing to give.
Invoking Jesus in any consideration of forgiveness for those who contributed and continue to contribute to the suffering and death of untold millions is reasonable. And it shows very clearly that Christian theology is not the appropriate horizon here, not yet. Tiny cogs like the Andrews, Hill and Owen, should not be given a pass by those rightly seeking to expose their monstrous wrongdoing, even if those cogs ask for it. Which they have not. We need to first employ the vocabulary of the law: culpability, collusion, crime. Those more forgiving than I am can absolve all they wish once the law has had its day.
more than 1000 lawyers and scientists worked with Reiner Fuellmich to put together a case to take to the International Criminal Court, which would not take it, so they did a public 'demonstration trial' of what they would have presented
I was factual, but it had an edge to it. I regret that it was more judgemental in tone and not inviting him to come forward and expose what he knows. In the long run, that will be more beneficial to him and the world.
For both of them, this will weigh on them (internally and from outside people who know now). We can control the choices we make, but cannot control the consequences.
It takes the individual bravery of each person to stand up to this, otherwise we're left to a collective that will continue to molest and make afraid.
Having watched once a "fight" where about 15 Mexican kids ganged up to beat a Korean kid during the height of the Bruce Lee/Asian Kung fu era, I saw the individual Mexican kids encourage everyone else to jump him, but each was afraid to get hit by someone they thought had magical kung fu powers, and in the end they had psyched themselves out through individual and personal fear, and the Korean kid walked out, neither side having thrown a punch.
We are individually scared. I get that. But we don't beat this unless we all are willing to stand up in our respective ways. Because they're not stopping.
Hospitals are now trying to hire back people they ingloriously fired. Why would anybody go back after that? This should be felt as a consequence for their (hospital's) action.
Every snowflake (poor word given these times , but read on) says they are insignificant, until together they roar down a mountain as a powerful avalanche, destroying what's in front of them.
I applaud your generosity of spirit, Phil .. but the stakes have been too high in their transgressions .. they literally do have "blood on their hands" & that is not to be forgiven until they come forward & express contrition & amend their ways ..
Many years ago I was cured of metastatic cancer by a nutritional MD. He also helped thousands of other patients. All he ever wanted to do was to demonstrate that his method which was so different than conventional medicine had remarkable success against cancer. And it won’t be surprising to hear the medical establishment ganged up against him, corrupted a trial of his protocol and ultimately demoralized him so much he prematurely passed away. How many millions of lives would have been saved had even one person at the NIH or in the cancer establishment had an open mind and a modicum of courage. And sadly but predictably we now are experiencing the exact same dynamic. When will we learn?
This story is meaningful because it is so monstrously big as you say, bigger than ivermectin. We have to look at all products, pharmaceutical, financial or otherwise as maybe less than safe or effective if industry has allowed corruption to chip away at all our safeguards, regulations, and ethical traditions.
On another note, just as you mention Bernie Madoff being scapegoated, the vast majority of Nazi’s who were responsible for the greatest atrocities were never put on trial. Those who were scapegoated were largely the lower hanging fruit and look where that’s landed us today.
Instead, world governments shuttled those monsters to various locales all over the map and used them to implement the types of atrocities we’ve experienced since. The ripples in the pond of corruption are deep and long lasting. Because they didn’t act accordingly then, we all bear the burden of the fruits of their labors today. The Nazi’s may have borrowed their eugenics ideals from the US, but they certainly helped in perfecting the model, thus transferring the gains made back into the hands of those who now carry the torch, the offspring of many of eugenics originators, at least in its modern day form.
I'm wondering if there is an even bigger agenda than money. Have you seen the Pandemic Treaty that WHO has written? Apparently, they think they should be in charge of Healthcare in all countries. They expect the treaty to be signed by all. The World Council for Health wrote a letter in response. More info on their website https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/news/2022/03/pandemic-treaty/45591/
I'm wondering how it may connect with your story and beyond. What do you think?
the bigger agenda is control of the entire world. The WEF, UN, CCP, Bilderbergs, and other groups, have worked for this future NWO one-world under one-government agenda for many decades
There's an opportunity for redemption for Dr Andrew Hill: That's to acknowledge the wrongness of his decisions & the resulting harm. He needs to come clean by telling the full truth shining a light on the stench that has corrupted the institutions we are supposed to trust.
The CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO, and the entire corporate medical complex are CORRUPT. The hospitals and physicians have knowingly reaped huge fraudulent financial gains associated to the covid scamdemic. The lobbyists pay off the politicians, millions die needlessly, and the Hippocratic oath becomes the hypocritic oath. The "media" are but paid propagandists, justice nowhere to be found.
God's judgement will bring great sorrow. The pain suffered and endured by many will be shared. People speak of dark winters; such corruption will lead to many seasons of darkness. Best be in the Word.
I think Bernie Madoff is the wrong parallel--think instead of those burglars, then Hunt, Liddy, and Mitchell, then Nixon. As you have done here, start with the small fish and move up the chain. All of the criminals you find, big and small, should be put in the dock. How instructive it will be to all to learn who the ultimate villains are once they are brought kicking and screaming out of the dark. The system, if that's what it is, is made up of individuals, each of whom have responsibility; they, not some amorphous system, should be our focus. It would not have been a sideshow, by the way, if a group of CEOs had gone to prison in 2008. We would be living in a better world.
These decisions are not (for the most part at least) conscious ones on the level of the individual. They will have their stories that they tell themselves. We all do.
This work is shining light on the 'unconscious systemic tilt' so astutely described by Charles Eisenstein in his early Covid "The Coronation" essay.
PSS I sometimes search words that just come to me, for fun, to see what I find after. Here's the definition of the word -oogle aka google: What does oogle mean? An oogle is a panhandler who lives on the streets, most frequently a new or unserious one who is perceived as homeless by choice, rather than by necessity.
You and Tess may be willing to forgive. I am not, and even if I were, it's really not my call, as my life was only mildly disrupted by their decisions. The victims of those decisions, and their survivors, are the ones who deserve to decide the fate of all who were complicit.
I have to agree w other commentators. Forgiveness can only happen when wrongdoing is acknowledged and contrition expressed. That doesn’t mean those responsible shouldn’t be held to account and possibly serve time or face the death penalty as a result of their contribution to the role their “compromise” had in the injuries and deaths of millions of people.
There are enough voices speaking out on IVM vs Remdesivir that they could have joined them and accept the consequences. With enough voices speaking out in unison, we may have seen change occur that wouldn’t have resulted in so many deaths.
Heck, even nurses in the hospitals refer to Remdesivir as “Run death is near.” When the nurses are referring to a drug in such a manner, you know it’s openly acknowledged to be dangerous and deadly, even if it continues to be ignored. It’s the people within the system that participate in covering up the truth that perpetuate the problem of corruption and everyone of them need to be prosecuted for whatever role they played, even if it was a passive role.
If I may disagree slightly here. Forgiveness is a personal decision. If we're going to wait for someone else to do X action before we forgive, then we are still captive to them.
Jesus taught to forgive 70x7. It's not the count that matters, but the concept. I see, live with, and am a person who still has a lack of forgiveness toward another, and the canker that it is there even years later is so self destructive and self limiting. Because I (speaking for myself) allow their action to still control me.
There is a need for justice. But mercy is a different concept. Our offer of mercy only after justice is not mercy. Mercy or forgiveness doesn't remain captive to what the other person is willing to give.
Let's not give them that power.
Invoking Jesus in any consideration of forgiveness for those who contributed and continue to contribute to the suffering and death of untold millions is reasonable. And it shows very clearly that Christian theology is not the appropriate horizon here, not yet. Tiny cogs like the Andrews, Hill and Owen, should not be given a pass by those rightly seeking to expose their monstrous wrongdoing, even if those cogs ask for it. Which they have not. We need to first employ the vocabulary of the law: culpability, collusion, crime. Those more forgiving than I am can absolve all they wish once the law has had its day.
Can someone with knowledge of law clarify where exactly all the lawyers are, at this point in time?
more than 1000 lawyers and scientists worked with Reiner Fuellmich to put together a case to take to the International Criminal Court, which would not take it, so they did a public 'demonstration trial' of what they would have presented
Excellent question.
Jesus Christ is law and once our laws deliver swift justice then God's law will take over and he will handle their forgiveness or condemnation.
the forgiveness Jesus requires is not a fig leaf for criminal prosecution. They are not mutually exclusive
Respectfully, I’m not Jesus and neither are you.
I appreciate that! You are right.
I don't believe I mentioned anything reserved for Jesus. He commanded us to do this.
Too late. I already emailed Andrew.
I was factual, but it had an edge to it. I regret that it was more judgemental in tone and not inviting him to come forward and expose what he knows. In the long run, that will be more beneficial to him and the world.
For both of them, this will weigh on them (internally and from outside people who know now). We can control the choices we make, but cannot control the consequences.
It takes the individual bravery of each person to stand up to this, otherwise we're left to a collective that will continue to molest and make afraid.
Having watched once a "fight" where about 15 Mexican kids ganged up to beat a Korean kid during the height of the Bruce Lee/Asian Kung fu era, I saw the individual Mexican kids encourage everyone else to jump him, but each was afraid to get hit by someone they thought had magical kung fu powers, and in the end they had psyched themselves out through individual and personal fear, and the Korean kid walked out, neither side having thrown a punch.
We are individually scared. I get that. But we don't beat this unless we all are willing to stand up in our respective ways. Because they're not stopping.
Hospitals are now trying to hire back people they ingloriously fired. Why would anybody go back after that? This should be felt as a consequence for their (hospital's) action.
Every snowflake (poor word given these times , but read on) says they are insignificant, until together they roar down a mountain as a powerful avalanche, destroying what's in front of them.
We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
I applaud your generosity of spirit, Phil .. but the stakes have been too high in their transgressions .. they literally do have "blood on their hands" & that is not to be forgiven until they come forward & express contrition & amend their ways ..
Many years ago I was cured of metastatic cancer by a nutritional MD. He also helped thousands of other patients. All he ever wanted to do was to demonstrate that his method which was so different than conventional medicine had remarkable success against cancer. And it won’t be surprising to hear the medical establishment ganged up against him, corrupted a trial of his protocol and ultimately demoralized him so much he prematurely passed away. How many millions of lives would have been saved had even one person at the NIH or in the cancer establishment had an open mind and a modicum of courage. And sadly but predictably we now are experiencing the exact same dynamic. When will we learn?
This story is meaningful because it is so monstrously big as you say, bigger than ivermectin. We have to look at all products, pharmaceutical, financial or otherwise as maybe less than safe or effective if industry has allowed corruption to chip away at all our safeguards, regulations, and ethical traditions.
On another note, just as you mention Bernie Madoff being scapegoated, the vast majority of Nazi’s who were responsible for the greatest atrocities were never put on trial. Those who were scapegoated were largely the lower hanging fruit and look where that’s landed us today.
Instead, world governments shuttled those monsters to various locales all over the map and used them to implement the types of atrocities we’ve experienced since. The ripples in the pond of corruption are deep and long lasting. Because they didn’t act accordingly then, we all bear the burden of the fruits of their labors today. The Nazi’s may have borrowed their eugenics ideals from the US, but they certainly helped in perfecting the model, thus transferring the gains made back into the hands of those who now carry the torch, the offspring of many of eugenics originators, at least in its modern day form.
I'm wondering if there is an even bigger agenda than money. Have you seen the Pandemic Treaty that WHO has written? Apparently, they think they should be in charge of Healthcare in all countries. They expect the treaty to be signed by all. The World Council for Health wrote a letter in response. More info on their website https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/news/2022/03/pandemic-treaty/45591/
I'm wondering how it may connect with your story and beyond. What do you think?
the bigger agenda is control of the entire world. The WEF, UN, CCP, Bilderbergs, and other groups, have worked for this future NWO one-world under one-government agenda for many decades
There's an opportunity for redemption for Dr Andrew Hill: That's to acknowledge the wrongness of his decisions & the resulting harm. He needs to come clean by telling the full truth shining a light on the stench that has corrupted the institutions we are supposed to trust.
Phil, thanks for the work you are doing. This is far bigger than you think. Have a look at 'Polly'. She talks about The World Economic Forum's 'Global Leaders' and Global 'Shapers'. https://rumble.com/vw93e5-mega-boom-schwabs-global-shapers-network-exposed.html
The CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO, and the entire corporate medical complex are CORRUPT. The hospitals and physicians have knowingly reaped huge fraudulent financial gains associated to the covid scamdemic. The lobbyists pay off the politicians, millions die needlessly, and the Hippocratic oath becomes the hypocritic oath. The "media" are but paid propagandists, justice nowhere to be found.
God's judgement will bring great sorrow. The pain suffered and endured by many will be shared. People speak of dark winters; such corruption will lead to many seasons of darkness. Best be in the Word.
Great Zoom Webinar this evening with Dr. Pierre Kory. Thank you.
I think Bernie Madoff is the wrong parallel--think instead of those burglars, then Hunt, Liddy, and Mitchell, then Nixon. As you have done here, start with the small fish and move up the chain. All of the criminals you find, big and small, should be put in the dock. How instructive it will be to all to learn who the ultimate villains are once they are brought kicking and screaming out of the dark. The system, if that's what it is, is made up of individuals, each of whom have responsibility; they, not some amorphous system, should be our focus. It would not have been a sideshow, by the way, if a group of CEOs had gone to prison in 2008. We would be living in a better world.
I completely agree with the writer.
These decisions are not (for the most part at least) conscious ones on the level of the individual. They will have their stories that they tell themselves. We all do.
This work is shining light on the 'unconscious systemic tilt' so astutely described by Charles Eisenstein in his early Covid "The Coronation" essay.
We all have a part to play in helping it end.
Looking forward to seeing you on Zoom meeting flccc.net aka/same c19criticalcare.com this evening. PS Use duckduckgo.com browser to search the links if -oogle won't.
PSS I sometimes search words that just come to me, for fun, to see what I find after. Here's the definition of the word -oogle aka google: What does oogle mean? An oogle is a panhandler who lives on the streets, most frequently a new or unserious one who is perceived as homeless by choice, rather than by necessity.
An enjoyable read – a well-rounded and generous essay. Thank you.
I agree. I shared it since it does a nice job of laying out what is ahead.